Log Splitting -- A Basic Camping and Survival Skill

Log splitting is a very useful skill for campers.  Even if you don't cut your own firewood you will probably need to split some pieces of commercial firewood to make kindling.  Sometimes chunks of commercial firewood might be bigger than you want to use in your campfire and you can split them down to any size you like.  If you do cut your own firewood, split logs dry more quickly and are easier to ignite in a campfire than whole logs.  You might want to split longer logs to make split rails for functional and decorative fencing.

Use of appropriate Personal Protective Equipment is always a good idea for any activity.  Log splitting is certainly no exception.  There are obvious risks and physical stresses you need to guard agains.  You should wear heavy leather gloves to protect your hands and goggles or safety glasses to protect your eyes against flying chips.  Prescription eye glasses or sunglasses might be better than nothing but are not designed to provide the true protection you get from safety glasses or goggles.  If you use a chainsaw to cut your firewood, you should also wear protective chaps and ear plugs.  Note, chainsaw chaps don't shut down electric chain saws like they do gasoline powered saws.  The chaps are designed to clog the chain and stop the engine.  Electric motors don't stop as long as there is power and the switch is on but chainsaw chaps might provide some reduction in the movement of the chain and give you  a little extra time to react before you cut off a leg!

For splitting kindling you may only need an axe or hatchet.  Place one end of the piece of wood you want to split on a stable solid surface (rock, wood, concrete, hard ground),  Use a small stick to hold the top end of the piece you're are splitting steady while your swing your axe or hatchet with the other hand to split it.  If you should miss and cut the end off the little stick you can easily replace it, unlike replacing your fingers if you should cut one or more off while holding the wood with them!   A good size for kindling is about 1" wide and 1/4" thick.  Pieces a little larger or smaller are just fine.

A maul is another great tool for heavy splitting.   Mauls have very heavy, fat heads.  They look a lot like an axe but they are not designed for cutting but are great for splitting.  The extra weight and the fat taper of the head slams into the wood and splits it apart.  The only downside to using  a maul for splitting is that it is very heavy and may be difficult for smaller people to use and more tiring for anyone.  The blade on a maul is not always sharp like an axe.  A maul will be overkill for splitting kindling but is very useful for splitting large logs. 

                                                           

I have seen wall-mounted kindling splitters that use leverage instead of pounding it with a big axe or hammer.  That might be less effort but I haven't found a good place to mount one on any of my RVs.  Might be nice for a cabin or country house!

Just came across another great way to split kindling.  It is called the kindling cracker.  You can buy them at Amazon, Home Depot, and many other places.  Just GOOGLE "Kindling Cracker".   You put the piece of wood you want to split in the top and hit it with a big hammer or back of an axe to drive it down onto the splitting wedge inside.  It is safer, faster, and easier than using an axe or hatchet.  It is probably too bulky to carry around when tent camping but you might find room for it in your RV.  Here is what it looks like:

                                                         

                                                              

When using it make sure your log will fit through the top ring.  If it has knots or flares out or is simply too tight it may get caught before it splits.   You always want a little free space to allow the log room to split.

Another handy tool for splitting kindling is a wood splitting auger.   They fit into your drill so you can use them in a cordless drill in camp.  The one I saw demonstrated had a reverse thread so you had to run the drill in reverse to get it to work.  A wood splitting auger and a cordless drill can make splitting kindling quick and easy.  Hand held augeers aren't recommended for splitting larger logs but can be a fast and safe way to split kindling.  There are larger version available for splitting large logs, some are designed to bolt onto a car or truck wheel to provide the power.  Exercise caution using devices like this.  Make sure the driving wheels are off the ground and the vehicle properly chocked before any use.   Here is an inexpensive examples on Amazon.com.    

                                         

For splitting larger logs a wedge is a useful addition to your tool set.   Wedges aren't usually as sharp as axes and they usually have a fatter head and they don't have handles.  The larger head both makes it easier to drive them with the back of an axe or a large hammer (sledge hammer) and also spreads the wood faster for better splitting.  Some wedges are a flat tapered shape similar to an axe head.  Others are conical.  Flat wedges will split wood along the point of the wedge.  Conical splitters are used in the center of logs to try to spit them into multiple pieces at once.  However, every log WILL split along the lines of least resistance so you won't always get multiple splits with one placement nor will the pieces be of equal size.  I have seen people use a large single-bladed axe as a wedge, but the taper isn't really optimal for splitting and you might damage the axe head or handle pounding on it.  Sometimes you might use a maul as splitting wedge but usually it is easier to just swing the maul as it was intended to be used.  Here is an example from Harbor Freight.

                                  

                         

A wooden glut is a fairly good substitute for an iron wedge.  A wooden glut is a wedge-shaped piece of wood.  Sometimes they are used to split rocks but can also be used to split logs that are too large o split with a hatchet or an axe alone.  Start with a short piece of hardwood about 3" in diameter.  Sharpen one end to make a flat, wedge-shaped point.  The other end should be square and flat.  Prepare the piece of wood you want to split by scoring a line all across it using your axe or hatchet.  Then drive the axe or hatchet blade into the scored line at one edge of the log so it begins to spread the log along the scored line.  Place the sharpened edge of the glut into the crack and drive it in as far is you can.  Then remove the axe or hatchet and move it to the other side of the glut.  Drive it in as far as you can and hammer the glut down again.  The log should start to split.  If not, keep repeating the process until it does.  Sometimes it is helpful to have more than one glut so you can use them side-by-side to speed splitting large logs.  Knowing this little trick might be helpful if you find yourself in a survival situation or if you simply forgot to bring your steel wedge with you on a camping trip.  Or if you need a bigger wedge than the one you brought along.  Try to use a harder wood for your glut than the wood you want to split.  But you can use the same wood if you have to.  It may just wear out faster.  If it is softer than the wood you are splitting it will probably crush or break instead of splitting the target.  A wooden glut is similar in size and shape to a splitting wedge made of steel.

                                

Whenever splitting, with a wedge (or glut), axe, or hatchet, try to take advantage of any existing cracks in the log.  Many, but certainly not all, pieces of wood will have existing cracks.  Even if they are tiny, they represent a weakness you can take advantage of.  Line up the pointed end of the wedge with the crack.  This makes splitting easier and can save you a bunch of work.  When working with large logs with no existing splits I usually try to make the first split about in the middle, then split each half in the middle again and again until I have them split down to the size I want.  Some folks like to split narrow pieces off the edges instead.  Try it both ways and do whatever works best for you.

A hydraulic log makes splitting a lot easier, especially if you are working with large logs or have a lot lots to split.  Make sure the pieces you want to split will fit into the log splitter between the wedge and the head of the hydraulic jack.  Sometimes, if they aren't TOO much longer than will fit you can notch the end that goes on the wedge to make room to get the log in place.  The hand operated log splitters I have used have two handles.  One moves the jack a small distance but increases the pressure.  This is useful for starting almost any split and pretty much essential for splitting pieces that are difficult to split.  The second handle doesn't apply as much force but mores the jack further with each stroke, speeding up the splitting process.  I often work both together to maximize splitting force and speed once it begins to split.  You will usually hear a distinct "crack" when the wood begins to split and will definitely notice a decrease of resistance on the handles.  I have found I usually need to go about 10 pumps on the handles after the initial split to push the pieces far enough apart that I can fully separate them by hand when taken out of the splitter.  Hand operated log splitters can be purchased for a few hundred dollars.  I believe I bought mine at Harbor Freight several years ago for between $100 and $200.   They are probably too big and heavy to cart along on camping trips, but very useful for preparing your fire wood at home.  If you have extra room in your vehicle you could take them camping but I wouldn't unless I expected to do a LOT of splitting!  Even when I haul firewood from the forest I usually wait until I get it home to split it.

A power log splitter is the ultimate tool if you are splitting lots of wood.  Power log splitters are hydraulic splitters powered by gasoline engines or electric motors instead of being hand operated.  Just put the log in place and press a button or pull the handle and the machine basically does the rest.  I've seen some commercial grade splitters that have an X shaped wedge that splits large logs into 4 pieces at once, greatly reducing splitting time and increasing productivity, but they are very, very expensive -- like around $18,000!  I've seen simpler, gasoline powered simple log splitters for home use starting around $1,000 plus or minus a hundred bucks or so at home centers.  They are fairly big and heavy and usually have wheels and are designed to be towed like a trailer.  You can also get less expensive electric powered log splitters.  Harbor Freight has one for under $500.  I wouldn't expect it to deliver the power or performance of the larger, gasoline powered models, but one would definitely make splitting a pile of firewood a lot faster and easier.

Like many other jobs, proper preparation is the key to success.   The main thing to do is to make sure your logs are cut to the right length before you begin.  Also trim off any branches or stubs that might interfere with their placement or movement on the splitter.  I have a piece of PVC pipe I have cut to proper length for my log splitter and (usually) use it to measure my cuts so the pieces are the right length.  If I forget to measure or somehow end up with some that are too long, I set them aside and trim them all at once after I've split the ones that fit.  Also, sometimes you will run into logs that are really hard to split.  I once watched my Dad try to split some old Madrone Pine with an axe and it just bounced off!  If you else all else fails you might try boring some holes in one end and lining up the edge of the wedge with the holes to get things started.  One large, center hole might be enough if you're using a conical wedge.

Some really knotty pieces of wood may be extremely difficult to split.  Avoid them if you can but if that is all you have, you might have to cut it into smaller pieces, making cuts where the knots are so you can split between the knots.  Sometimes a combination of strong steel wedges and fatter wooden gluts can be used in conjunction to coerce a particularly tough log to split.  Having a really big hammer may also help.  My dad had two "hammer"rules I really found useful:  1.  If it can't be fixed with a hammer it can't be fixed and 2.  Don't get mad at it, just get a bigger hammer!  Lacking a large hammer in a camp you might use a big piece of firewood or even a big rock.  Make sure to keep your fingers clear of where the log or rock strikes your target!

If you are going to split, split logs!

NOAA Weather Radios, an Asset for Campers, RVers, and Boaters

 This is a second post on NOAA Weather Radios.  Don't mean to be redundant, but it is a topic that, in my experience, is underrated.  I've met too many people who dont even know about NOAA weather radios, let alone use them!

NOAA Weather radio is a service of the National Weather Service (NWS), which, in turn, is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration of the United States of America.  The following Mission and Vision are taken directly from the National Weather Service website:

NWS Mission

Provide weather, water, and climate data, forecasts and warnings for the protection of life and property and enhancement of the national economy.

NWS Vision

A Weather-Ready Nation: Society is prepared for and responds to weather, water, and climate-dependent events.

Although the mission statement doesn't specifically mention recreation, the forecasts are of great value to campers, hikers, boaters, hunters, and fisherman.  Or to anyone who is going to working or playing outdoors.  I believe we qualify under protection for life and property when involved in our outdoor recreational pursuits.

NOAA weather forecasts are available for almost all  geographic parts of the United States.  Speical NOAA radios will automatically pick up the local forecast just about anywhere you are. 

I've seen NOAA weather channels on a few car radios but usually you have to buy a special NOAA radio.  NOAA forecasts are updated frequently and give a fairly accurate prediction of regional weather.  The 7 day forecast is usually accurate about 80% of the time; the 5 day forecast is good about 90% of the time; but the 10 day forecast is only correct about 50% of the time.

Be aware that some camping venues are located in areas that kind of make their own weather.  This is especially true of mountains but large bodies of water and sometimes even deserts can also make their own weather.  Therefore, regional weather forecasts from NOAA or your local radio station may not always be a good predictor of what you will actually experience at a specific location but it is good place to start!

You can purchase NOAA weather radios at many places that sell camping equipment.  Some places that I've confirmed sell NOAA radios are Walmart, Amazon, Target, Cabellas and even Big Lots.  You can often find them on ebay too.  Some models include hand crank chargers so you never have to worry about running out of power.

NOAA also has a superb web site where you can get up-to-date weather information.   It is the National Weather Service website.  It is a fairly comprehensive website.  Be sure to explore the options as there are many features to assist you in understanding the forecast and finding out what you need to know.  One of my favorites is the Hourly Forecast, but the menu under FORECAST includes lots of useful options including, Graphical, Aviation, Marine, Rivers and Lakes, and Severe Weather that could be useful to campers and boaters.

Be weather wise!

Thanks to all my blog readers!

 

I have been reviewing some of the stats on my blog and wanted to say "thank you" to everyone who has visited rvsandohvs.blogspot.com.  I enjoy writing the articles and am pleased when I get comments.  I am especially glad some of you are finding my information useful.

As I live in the Western United States, a lot of my perspective is biased by my personal experiences in my geographical area.  I see that I get viewers from other places and have been pleasantly surprised at the variety of countries represented in the stats.  If my apparent bias toward my own environment has offended anyone I sincerely apologize.  A lot of the technical information is independent of geographical or political domains but I'm afraid that some of the outdoor experiences and activities are limited to places I've been and things I've done.   I would welcome guest posts from viewers in other countries.

I acknowledge the contributions that people outside the United States make to outdoor recreation.   I have thoroughly enjoyed a number of Youtube survival videos from diverse places such as Russia.

Thank you one and all!

Are There Any Good Reasons Not To GO Camping, RVing, OHVing, or Boating?

There are very few reasons to prevent you from camping or other outdoor activities if you want to do it.  I suggest your personal health and family obligations should be high on that list.  Another one that all too often holds us back is finances -- or rather the lack thereof.  We either don't have the money to go camping or can't afford to take the time off to go camping.  If that is the case, it is time to try hard to make time for camping because the personal release and family bonding we will miss can never be replaced.  In most cases the hours you spend camping will make you more productive when you get back to work.  I once worked for an aerospace company who even gave incentives for taking vacation time because they recognized people were indeed more productive after a well-earned break.  Saving up vacation time over long periods of time was greatly frowned upon and you had to use it or lose it!

COVID-19 regulations caused some campground closures but in general most camping activities can still be safely enjoyed while observing COVID-19 protocols (masks and social distancing).

Owning a tent or RV often makes it possible spontaneous outings.  However, whether your outing is planned or spontaneous, there are some circumstances where you might want to (read that SHOULD) change your plans.  Planned outings are harder to reschedule, but it can usually be done.

One of the most common things that can force us to change our plans is weather.  Sometimes we can endure a little rain or even snow, but it is usually best to avoid camping in bad storms.  I, for one, would gladly postpone a trip if it would take me into a hailstorm, blizzard or flood!  We also need to stay home from forest camping  or exercise extreme caution when hot, dry winds create HIGH or EXTREME fire danger.  In all these cases the risks are just too great!  We did have to change our destination for one winter dirt bike outing in the Mojave Desert when we arrived at the turn off to our scheduled site and found the road clogged with more than a foot of fresh snow!  Not a good place to try to drive an RV pulling a motorcycle trailer over miles of unmaintained dirt roads!

Traffic problems might also cause a change in plans.  A bad highway accident, wildfire, flood, or landslide along a planned route could mean hours of delay, seriously impacting the time left for our anticipated activities.  Road damage or even planned construction might create unexpected problems on roads we know and use regularly.  Some problems, like power outages, and water or sanitation problems, or structural issues, might cause the closure of some destination venues.

Health issues can pop up unexpectedly,  Sometimes we, or one of our immediate family or companions gets ill at the last minute.   Traveling when sick or with someone who is can put a real damper on plans.  In some cases it might even be life threatening!  Sometimes the illness might be outside our immediate group but has happened to someone important to us and we need to alter our plans to assist or support them or their family.

Health issues may also be chronic, forcing us to abandon or adjust our preferred life style.   No matter how much we love our outdoor activities we should avoid them if they pose a risk to our health or the health of anyone close to us.  Age often introduces health issues that may limit our activities, but age itself is usually NOT a valid reason by itself not to go camping!  I have seen many people way past retirement age who are still active in RVing, camping, boating, and OHVing.  A good friend of mine was still organizing and leading 2-week off-road motorcycle rides in Mexico well into his late 70s.

Destination Problems can crop  up without warning.  Fires, floods, snow, wind, other natural disasters, power outages, equipment failures, and structural defects are just a few of the many things that might happen to a much anticipated destination that would put it off limits for a time.  Earthquakes can shut down roads and bridges and sometimes jeopardize structures at venues.  If your planned destination is closed, you will have to find an alternate destination or postpone your trip.

 If a good reason to stay home comes up, stay home!  Chances are you will regret going a whole lot more than you would ever regret postponing the outing.  Health problems or an unacceptable environment can have long lasting consequences.  Most outings can be rescheduled and safely enjoyed some other time.  You don't want to turn a highly anticipated outing into a disaster you regret!

There is, however, some good news!  The very nature of our camping and RVing lifestyle is that we can usually be flexible.  Just about any planned excursion can be rescheduled when the problems have been mitigated.

Chronic health issues might force one to permanently retire from their preferred outdoor activities.  I, for one, would want to explore all the possible alternatives before resigning myself to that fate.  The time may come when I can no longer drive my own RV.  If/when that happens I hope I an recruit a family member or friend to do the driving so we can still enjoy outings together.  I hope if the time comes when I can no longer ride my dirt bike that I can switch to a side-by-side and still enjoy off road activities.

Financial problems might limit travel plans.  Unemployment or unexpected expenses might significantly reduce our disposable income.  In that case, we may have to decide if our outings are optional or essential to our mental health.  Even outings we deem to be essential might have to be rationed or postponed if we can't afford it but do remember that recreation is essential to maintaining productivity and well as general health and happiness.

Family obligations are another valid reason to cancel or postpone a camping trip.  Significant family events should always take priority over recreational pursuits.  Fortunately we usually have advance notice of important family events and can plan our outings around them, but if one comes up rather unexpectedly, you might have to change your plans.

In short, don't go camping if:

• You are sick
• You are seriously injured
• Someone close to you is sick or seriously injured
  
• You have important family events that conflict with your outing
• The destination or the route is unsafe
• The destination venue is closed (sometimes due to COVID-19 restrictions these days)
• The weather forecast includes dangerous conditions
  

Don't give up, reschedule!

Using Pit Toilets When Camping, RVing, OHVing, and Boating? Yccch!

Pit toilets are, to but it bluntly and literally, the pits!  Many pit toilets turn out to be far from pleasant to use.  Lots of  people only resort to them as a last resort, often with good reason!  They are too often badly abused and poorly maintained.  Even so, they are usually a big improvement over the old-fashioned outhouses our ancestors used to have to deal every day of their lives and are a whole lot easier, more convenient, and safer than digging your own latrine!

With the proliferation of flush toilets why are there still pit toilets around?   Well, for one thing, they are a lot less expensive to build and operate than bathrooms with flush toilets.  Many remote locations used for camping and riding OHVs are far from any source of water.  Septic systems aren't cheap and usually require digging up a lot of otherwise pristine ground.   While pit toilets do require more frequent pumping than septic systems, the cost and environmental impact for pit toilets is less than for septic systems.  Pit toilets are actually a pretty nice amenity in remote locations.

Boaters often have to go ashore to find sanitation facilities if there are none on their boats.   Open boats (like kayaks, canoes, row boats, and many fishing and water skiing boats) do not usually have any onboard sanitation facilities.  I suppose you might carry a Porta-potti on a large open boat, but it is not a common occurrence.  Finding an appropriate campground when you need one can be difficult and you will not have many other choices once you make land for a needed stop.   You will wan to plan ahead when you can.  You may find yourself facing an unpleasant encounter with a smelly pit toilet and no where else to go.

Pit toilets are both a boon and a curse for campers.   They are certainly a boon when you got to go and there is no place else to do it but we have all likely experienced the curse of badly maintained pit toilets. When tent camping they are pretty much essential but may be optional if you are camping in any kind of an RV with its own sanitary facilities,  However, it is always a good idea when RV camping to take advantage of campground toilets whenever you can to minimize filling up your black water tank.  You think a pit toilet is foul?  Wait until you get a black water back up in your RV!  You can walk away from a nasty pit toilet when you are done, but an overflow in your RV will stay with you for months!  Once the overflow saturates flooring and other construction materials it is almost impossible to get rid of the bad odor.

The biggest problem with pit toilets is usually the odor.  Badly abused or poorly maintained facilities will develop a really nasty smell.    Bad odors are, of course, very unpleasant but do not necessarily contribute to transmission of diseases.  Unfortunately, abuse and lousy maintenance does frequently contribute to contamination that spreads disease.   Sometimes abuse and/or lack of maintenance may lead to really foul soiling of seats and floors.  You may be able to mitigate odor problems by ventilating the facility before you use it -- make sure the toilet lid is down and open the door for a while.  Lazy or unthinking users often leave the lid up which allows odors to accumulate in the room instead of being vented out through a correctly installed vent pipe that most facilities have.   Aerosol air fresheners may also help if you happen to have some with you. To defend against disease, limit your contact with anything inside structure, use seat protectors when available (or strips of toilet paper when there are no seat protectors), then thoroughly wash your hands or at least use hand sanitizer after you are done.   Avoid using badly soiled facilities if you can and limit your exposure as much as you can if you have no place else to go.  When possible, report bad facilities to the appropriate manager or owner right away so they can schedule additional cleaning and maintenance.  If you are really paranoid or just want to be extra safe, wear latex gloves when using public toilets.

Pit toilets are essentially old fashioned out houses.   In "the old days" they would dig a new pit and move the outhouse when the old one filled up.  While the house I grew up in had indoor plumbing, we also had an outhouse, which was a real blessing when all too frequent power outages in our rural neighborhood left us without water.  In today's world most pit toilets are permanently located and usually pumped out and sanitized periodically.   In some places you will find portable toilets.   However, sometimes the cleaning isn't done nearly often enough and they get really foul smelling.  Most modern pit toilets are treated with holding tank chemicals similar to those used in RVs, porta-pottys, and portable toilets.  While that does a lot to control odors, hot weather, unusually heavy use, abuse, or a poor maintenance schedule can still make them nasty between cleanings.

Portable toilets are kind of like an outhouse on wheels.  Usually they are made of plastic and have a self-contained holding tank beneath the seat.  They  function just like an outhouse or pit toilet.  They are frequently used on construction sites and are often pressed into service at camp grounds and other venues when the expected attendance exceeds to capacity of more permanent facilities.   Portable toilets usually don't have any fresh water for washing your hands or flushing.  The holding tanks beneath the seat are usually partially filled with chemically treated water that captures the waste, helps control odors, and allows pumping it out.   Portable toilets are usually pumped out, cleaned, and sanitized on a regular schedule, but abuse, hot weather, or excessive use might make them unpleasant between cleanings.  Many portable toilets these days have a dispenser for hand sanitizer to make them a little safer to use.   To be on the safe side, bring your hand sanitizer own along as even those so equipped may run out between servicing.

Developed campgrounds sometimes have fully functional bathrooms with flush toilets.   Unfortunately, abuse or poor maintenance often makes them nearly as unpleasant as pit toilets.  If you encounter poorly maintained restrooms you should report them to the campground host or manager.  When I worked at a resort one summer I had the unpleasant task of unstopping one of our public toilets.  Apparently someone had stolen the toilet paper (an all too frequent occurrence!) and someone had used paper towels in the toilet and they REALLY jammed up the plumbing!  Kind of a combination of abuse and failed maintenance, although theft of toilet paper isn't really failed maintenance so it might all be attributed to abuse.  BTW, NEVER EVER put paper towels or sanitary napkins in any toilet!  They will jam flush toilets and compromise pumping or dumping of portable toilets and holding tanks.

Enduring the unpleasantness of a poorly maintained campground toilet may be a lot easier to handle than managing with the consequences of the overflow in an RV holding tank or of having to try to "hold it" or dealing with not being able to "hold it".  In most cases even the most unpleasant toilet is a lot faster and sure beats digging and using your own latrine pit!

Bring your own hand sanitizer when using toilets in campgrounds.  It won't spare you from the unpleasant smell, but it will help protect you from germs.  You might find hand sanitizer dispenser in some facilities, but not always.  Wearing a bandana or bringing along a can of air freshener are some ways to help mitigate the odor problem.  Sometimes odors result from people leaving the lid up.  Closing the lid will help contain odors and allow them to escape through vents that usually extend up through the roof instead of permeating the building interior.   Sometimes closing the lid and leaving the door open for a while will purge odors enough to make your own 'stay' more pleasant, or at least tolerable.  Then be sure to put the lid down when you leave.  After all, YOU might be the next user and it is always good to be considerate of others too!

Lack of toilet paper is a common problem at pit toilets.  Unfortunately, selfish people using them often over-use the toilet paper or even steal it, leaving others do to do without.  That being said, bring your own if you can.  Doing so you also avoid an possible contamination that might have been left careless previous users.

Pit toilets are usually the norm for OHV riding areas, if there are any facilities there at all!  The remote locations and often lack of available water leaves little in the way of alternatives.  OHV riders aren't likely to be carrying sanitizers or their own toilet paper to overcome some of the pitfalls of pit toilets so they either have to make do with things as they find them or wait until they get back to camp, and even then pit toilets might be all there is unless they have their own fully self contained RV or camper.

If you encounter campground toilets that need cleaning, be sure to report it to the camp host.   They may be able to schedule an extra cleaning or more frequent cleaning and servicing.

Far out!

Shopping for RV, OHV, Camping, and Boating Equipment at Garage Sales and Yard Sales

Can you really get good camping equipment at garage and yard sales?  Isn't a yard sale just a bunch of junk other people want to get rid of?  Well, yes and no.  But remember:  One man's junk is another man's treasure.  Sometimes it is just junk but you might be surprised how often you can find nearly new or even brand new camping equipment at garage sales.  Many times people accumulate duplicates or things they don't use and will give them up for surprisingly reasonable prices at garage sales.  Because none of us ever get to go camping as much as we would like to, much of the camping equipment at garage sales is gently if at all used and can usually be had for a fraction of its original retail price.  That being said, it is your responsibility to inspect the things you buy and make sure they are in satisfactory condition to meet your needs.  Satisfactory doesn't have to mean perfect, just that you can make use of them as is or can reasonably make any needed repairs -- or can use parts to repair other equipment you have or may acquire.

Garage and yard sales are also sometimes a good place to find accessories and parts for you RV and your boat.   Just like camping, RVing and boating enthusiasts seldom get as much time to enjoy their activities as they would like, often resulting in the used parts and accessories you may find at garage and yard sales being in pristine condition.  I have been surprised how often I have found brand new items -- things people received as gifts, acquired as duplicates, or simply never got around to using, making them exceptional finds for the buyers.  My personal experience with OHV parts and gear has not been as rewarding.  Too often OHV things have been used up, broken, or abused by the time people are ready to part with them, but you may still find good bargains if you look.

Sometimes used items are in good enough condition for you to put to your own use right away.   Other times you may find things that need some minor repair.  Sometimes you can pick up similar items from different places that you can combine to make it work for you.  If you take this approach make sure you don't end up spending more for various parts than you would spend to buy a new one!  And be sure to consider the value of your time too.  Some repairs can be very time consuming as can scouting out possible sources of necessary parts.  Sometimes that is the best if not the only way to acquire some vintage camping equipment that is no longer available in stores.

Garage sales (including ebay, "the world's biggest garage sale") and yard sales can be excellent sources of camping and RV equipment at very good prices.  But you might have to shop around a bit if you are looking for a particular piece of equipment.  Commercial camping stores usually stock a variety of items or can order things for you but garage and yard sales are purely what you see is what you get.  Sometimes garage sales are advertised in the classified ads in your local newspaper and occasionally such ads will include a partial list of items or at least categories for sale that can sometimes help focus your efforts.  Your other option is to simply keep your eyes open for garage sales and garage sale signs when you're driving around town.  Some of the best purchases I've ever made at garage sales came from just stopping to see what they had when I passed a garage sale sign on my way someplace else.  Shopping on ebay gives you access to lots of items from all over the world, but, basically, in order to win an auction you have to be willing to pay more for it than anyone else in the world!  That being said. I have tracked my ebay purchases over the years and believe I have saved an average of more than 50% over retail, even adding in the shipping!  And I've found a lot of things I couldn't find anywhere else.

To get the best selection at garage sales and yard sales, shop early.  Try to get there early on the first day so you can look things over before they get picked over.  The best things area likely to go first, but sometimes your wants or needs might be different than other shoppers so you might still find something you like toward the end of the sale.

To get the best price at garage sales and yard sales, shop close to closing.  As things wind down and people still have stuff they want to get rid of they may be more willing to negotiate a lower price than they were originally asking.  There are professional garage sale people who go around and buy up everything left at the end of the day and resell it in their own flea market booth or garage sale.  Of course they will want to pay the lowest possible price so even if a seller is planning to wholesale whatever is left, just about any offer you make on individual items will be higher than the wholesaler will give him.

Don't be afraid to negotiate, but be reasonable.  Many times sellers at garage sales expect buyers to bicker over prices so don't be afraid to make an offer.  However, if  you are really interested in an item, be sure your offer is realistic.  Try to have a good idea of what the item is actually worth before you come up with a price.   It won't help you get what you want if you insult or anger the seller with a ridiculously low offer or insulting remarks about the item.  You might consider the original retail price as a starting point.  If you have seen other similar used items you can use that in your calculations.  Sometimes you can research sold items on ebay to see what similar items are selling for.  Having a solid idea of the value of an item can help you negotiate a fair price with a seller and be sure you are getting a fair deal yourself.  One common guideline for pricing pre-owned goods is about 50% of retail.  Of course condition, popularity,  and supply and demand will also factor into the price.  Well worn goods should be pretty cheap, like-new ones might command a higher price.  Expect to pay more for rare items and items in high demand.

You can sometimes find garage sales and yard sales listed in the classified sections of local newspapers but more often than not you will just come across them during your normal travels.  You may see signs posted on power poles or maybe just see a driveway or yard full of merchandise.  Hopefully the sellers will have displayed their available merchandise in a way that you can see at least in general what they have to offer, but stopping and walking through and looking things over is the only way to really be sure you don' overlook a spectacular bargain.  You won't always find something but on average it will be worth your time to check out any sale that looks interesting.  I once found a set of 4 frame-mount manual leveling jacks for a travel trailer or small motorhome for $25 in disorganized pile of miscellaneous tools at a garage sale.  There was nothing visible from the street that indicated any kind of RV or camping accessories.  I got many years good use out of them.

Many of my most valuable garage sale finds were simply the result of being at the right place at the right time.   I simply spotted a garage sale or a garage sale sign and stopped by to check things out.  I usually haven't had much success going from place to place looking for specific items but have often just come across bargains that looked good to me.  If you come across things like that, grab them while you can!

Rummage sales put on by schools, churches and other charitable organizations can also be a good place to look for bargains.  They are like huge, multi-family garage sales.  Here again you may be able to negotiate your own prices, especially if you are buying a lot of stuff or shopping close to the end of the sale.  Since all the goods at a rummage sale were donated, any price they sell for is essentially "profit" for the seller so you can often get exceptionally good deals at rummage sales.  If you don''t like the asking price you might be able to negotiate.  If so, be fair about what you are willing to pay.  Every item has a legitimate value and someone will be willing to pay that.   And you are usually helping fund important community or charity services and sometimes the cost is even tax-deductible as a charitable contribution.

Thrift stores are kind of like permanent rummage sales.  Their merchandise was usually donated so whatever they get for it is profit, unless they have invested heavily in reconditioning.  You may be able to negotiate a better price at thrift stores but usually they have had enough experience selling similar products to know that the going price should be and will stick to the marked price.  Most of the thrift store prices I have seen make for pretty good bargains, even without any additional negotiation.  Where I did see higher prices they were not amenable to negotiation and I was happy to look elsewhere.  Sometimes thrift stores have sales based on the color of the price tag.  I assume the colors correspond to how long the items have been on hand and thus are put on sale to move older merchandise.  I have gotten some REALLY good deals on color-coded thrift store purchases, like a set of 3 triangular highway safety reflectors for just $2.50!

Flea markets are often another good place to look for used camping equipment.  Because you often find dozens or even hundreds of sellers all in one place you can greatly expand your access in a short time.  Sometimes you might even find the same items at more than one stand, giving you an opportunity to negotiate a better price with one of the sellers if you are willing to go back and forth a few times to negotiate.

Sometimes you might be able to leverage lower prices by purchasing a number of items.  You might make a reasonable cash offer for a bunch of stuff instead of adding up the individual prices.  Here again, the key to success is offering enough to make it attractive to the seller.  If he rejects your offer, and you don't want to spend what he is asking consider putting some of the items back to reduce your cost.  It might make him rethink taking your bulk offer rather than waiting around to see if anyone else is going to buy what you put back.   Unless something is verifiably popular sellers would usually rather take less than risk not selling it at all, especially toward the end of the sale.

Whenever you purchase used gear or equipment you likely do so at your own risk.   There are usually no warranties or refunds.  You can get some excellent bargains, but you may sometimes get things that don't work or require more repair than you are prepared to do.  It is a good idea to carefully inspect each item and make sure you know what, if any, defects it has and if you are willing to work with them.  The more complicated and expensive a piece of equipment is, the more you will be at risk if it has any problems.  You're usually pretty safe with standard camping items such as tents, stoves, lanterns, and sleeping bags, but your risk goes up exponentially when you move up into electronics, power tools, or motorized toys such as motorcycles, boats, and RVs.  Of course, if it doesn't work out you can always offer it for sale in your next garage sale!  Someone else may need it or have the resources to make it work for them.

Get it while you can!  If you see something you want at one of these sales you should probably snag it while you can.  Chances are if you wait, someone else will grab it, often even you leave it for a minute while continuing your shopping.  Most often when folks wait, hoping to come back and get something at a lower price, they will be disappointed to find the item(s) gone when they return.  This is especially true of rare or popular items or items in especially good condition.  I have missed out on things I really wanted because I delayed.  On the other hand, I have NEVER regretted buying something when I saw it!

Make sure you have a way to get it home before you commit to buying something.  You should always consider purchases at garage sales as final.  Don't pay for a large piece of equipment if you don't have truck to haul it away.  You certainly don't want to damage your daily driver trying to strap something big and heavy to the roof or the deck lid of your compact car!  The cost of repairs -- or traffic tickets for unsafe loads -- or having your new prize fall off enroute, damaging it and perhaps causing other damage to your vehicle or someone elese -- and that could quickly turn your bargain into an unacceptable expense!  With online shopping and home delivery these days, you never have to risk hauling an unsafe load.  Even the cost of buying things new will likely be less than repairs.

Good luck and have fun!